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Hi All,

In TMF 696, we have model ProductOrderRiskAssessment, which actually tell risk during ordering process. Below is diagram for the same

My question here is it has reference to productOrder. But I want to check the risk in order validation phase, current API support productOrderRisk post order creation thats why it require productOrder reference to it.

How I can make this data model work for accessing risk during order validation phase.

Possible option I can see is replace ProductOrderRef by ProductOrderRefOrValue.

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subhanshu shukla
Bharti Airtel Ltd
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Hi Subhansu

You can certainly extend the API to do RefOrValue. An alternative would be carry out the risk assessment on the configured shopping cart, if you work with shopping carts, before the order is created.

Yet another approach would be to create the order but not start the order delivery process. We've been agitating for enhancements to the standard order life cycle so that and order can be created/saved in draft status, and even saved with non-validated configuration. This has not yet been accepted, but you can certainly do that as an extension. 

Hi All,

In TMF 696, we have model ProductOrderRiskAssessment, which actually tell risk during ordering process. Below is diagram for the same

My question here is it has reference to productOrder. But I want to check the risk in order validation phase, current API support productOrderRisk post order creation thats why it require productOrder reference to it.

How I can make this data model work for accessing risk during order validation phase.

Possible option I can see is replace ProductOrderRef by ProductOrderRefOrValue.

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subhanshu shukla
Bharti Airtel Ltd
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Thanks Jonathan,

Can you share the SOP (Standard operating procedure) for contribution in risk API.

I would like to introduce ProductInventoryRiskAssessment along with modification of  ProductOrderRiskAssessment (making productOrder type os productOrderRefOrValue).

Hi Subhansu

You can certainly extend the API to do RefOrValue. An alternative would be carry out the risk assessment on the configured shopping cart, if you work with shopping carts, before the order is created.

Yet another approach would be to create the order but not start the order delivery process. We've been agitating for enhancements to the standard order life cycle so that and order can be created/saved in draft status, and even saved with non-validated configuration. This has not yet been accepted, but you can certainly do that as an extension. 

Hi All,

In TMF 696, we have model ProductOrderRiskAssessment, which actually tell risk during ordering process. Below is diagram for the same

My question here is it has reference to productOrder. But I want to check the risk in order validation phase, current API support productOrderRisk post order creation thats why it require productOrder reference to it.

How I can make this data model work for accessing risk during order validation phase.

Possible option I can see is replace ProductOrderRef by ProductOrderRefOrValue.

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subhanshu shukla
Bharti Airtel Ltd
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Ideally, if you were a member of the Open API collaborative project, you could open a JIRA with an improvement suggestion.

If you are not a member, I could open one on your behalf, although as the lead for this API I'm not a big supporter of adding the byValue. Like I said I'd prefer to be able to reference a created draft order. ProductOrderRefOrValue is a huge object, and in general we're trying to limit RefOrValue only to places where it really is necessary.

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Jonathan Goldberg
Amdocs Management Limited
Any opinions and statements made by me on this forum are purely personal, and do not necessarily reflect the position of the TM Forum or my employer.

Original Message:
Sent: Feb 29, 2024 05:43
From: subhanshu shukla
Subject: TMF 696 Risk Management

Thanks Jonathan,

Can you share the SOP (Standard operating procedure) for contribution in risk API.

I would like to introduce ProductInventoryRiskAssessment along with modification of  ProductOrderRiskAssessment (making productOrder type os productOrderRefOrValue).

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subhanshu shukla
Bharti Airtel Ltd

Original Message:
Sent: Feb 28, 2024 10:45
From: Jonathan Goldberg
Subject: TMF 696 Risk Management

Hi Subhansu

You can certainly extend the API to do RefOrValue. An alternative would be carry out the risk assessment on the configured shopping cart, if you work with shopping carts, before the order is created.

Yet another approach would be to create the order but not start the order delivery process. We've been agitating for enhancements to the standard order life cycle so that and order can be created/saved in draft status, and even saved with non-validated configuration. This has not yet been accepted, but you can certainly do that as an extension. 

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Jonathan Goldberg
Amdocs Management Limited
Any opinions and statements made by me on this forum are purely personal, and do not necessarily reflect the position of the TM Forum or my employer.

Original Message:
Sent: Feb 26, 2024 13:06
From: subhanshu shukla
Subject: TMF 696 Risk Management

Hi All,

In TMF 696, we have model ProductOrderRiskAssessment, which actually tell risk during ordering process. Below is diagram for the same

My question here is it has reference to productOrder. But I want to check the risk in order validation phase, current API support productOrderRisk post order creation thats why it require productOrder reference to it.

How I can make this data model work for accessing risk during order validation phase.

Possible option I can see is replace ProductOrderRef by ProductOrderRefOrValue.

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subhanshu shukla
Bharti Airtel Ltd
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subhanshu shukla
Bharti Airtel Ltd

Original Message:
Sent: Feb 29, 2024 06:06
From: Jonathan Goldberg
Subject: TMF 696 Risk Management

Ideally, if you were a member of the Open API collaborative project, you could open a JIRA with an improvement suggestion.

If you are not a member, I could open one on your behalf, although as the lead for this API I'm not a big supporter of adding the byValue. Like I said I'd prefer to be able to reference a created draft order. ProductOrderRefOrValue is a huge object, and in general we're trying to limit RefOrValue only to places where it really is necessary.

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Jonathan Goldberg
Amdocs Management Limited
Any opinions and statements made by me on this forum are purely personal, and do not necessarily reflect the position of the TM Forum or my employer.

Original Message:
Sent: Feb 29, 2024 05:43
From: subhanshu shukla
Subject: TMF 696 Risk Management

Thanks Jonathan,

Can you share the SOP (Standard operating procedure) for contribution in risk API.

I would like to introduce ProductInventoryRiskAssessment along with modification of  ProductOrderRiskAssessment (making productOrder type os productOrderRefOrValue).

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subhanshu shukla
Bharti Airtel Ltd

Original Message:
Sent: Feb 28, 2024 10:45
From: Jonathan Goldberg
Subject: TMF 696 Risk Management

Hi Subhansu

You can certainly extend the API to do RefOrValue. An alternative would be carry out the risk assessment on the configured shopping cart, if you work with shopping carts, before the order is created.

Yet another approach would be to create the order but not start the order delivery process. We've been agitating for enhancements to the standard order life cycle so that and order can be created/saved in draft status, and even saved with non-validated configuration. This has not yet been accepted, but you can certainly do that as an extension. 

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Jonathan Goldberg
Amdocs Management Limited
Any opinions and statements made by me on this forum are purely personal, and do not necessarily reflect the position of the TM Forum or my employer.

Original Message:
Sent: Feb 26, 2024 13:06
From: subhanshu shukla
Subject: TMF 696 Risk Management

Hi All,

In TMF 696, we have model ProductOrderRiskAssessment, which actually tell risk during ordering process. Below is diagram for the same

My question here is it has reference to productOrder. But I want to check the risk in order validation phase, current API support productOrderRisk post order creation thats why it require productOrder reference to it.

How I can make this data model work for accessing risk during order validation phase.

Possible option I can see is replace ProductOrderRef by ProductOrderRefOrValue.

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subhanshu shukla
Bharti Airtel Ltd
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You are not automatically a member. You need to ask to join, and the focal in your organization will need to approve.

You have the button JOIN THE PROJECT on this page: https://www.tmforum.org/open-api-project/

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subhanshu shukla
Bharti Airtel Ltd

Original Message:
Sent: Feb 29, 2024 06:06
From: Jonathan Goldberg
Subject: TMF 696 Risk Management

Ideally, if you were a member of the Open API collaborative project, you could open a JIRA with an improvement suggestion.

If you are not a member, I could open one on your behalf, although as the lead for this API I'm not a big supporter of adding the byValue. Like I said I'd prefer to be able to reference a created draft order. ProductOrderRefOrValue is a huge object, and in general we're trying to limit RefOrValue only to places where it really is necessary.

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Jonathan Goldberg
Amdocs Management Limited
Any opinions and statements made by me on this forum are purely personal, and do not necessarily reflect the position of the TM Forum or my employer.

Original Message:
Sent: Feb 29, 2024 05:43
From: subhanshu shukla
Subject: TMF 696 Risk Management

Thanks Jonathan,

Can you share the SOP (Standard operating procedure) for contribution in risk API.

I would like to introduce ProductInventoryRiskAssessment along with modification of  ProductOrderRiskAssessment (making productOrder type os productOrderRefOrValue).

------------------------------
subhanshu shukla
Bharti Airtel Ltd

Original Message:
Sent: Feb 28, 2024 10:45
From: Jonathan Goldberg
Subject: TMF 696 Risk Management

Hi Subhansu

You can certainly extend the API to do RefOrValue. An alternative would be carry out the risk assessment on the configured shopping cart, if you work with shopping carts, before the order is created.

Yet another approach would be to create the order but not start the order delivery process. We've been agitating for enhancements to the standard order life cycle so that and order can be created/saved in draft status, and even saved with non-validated configuration. This has not yet been accepted, but you can certainly do that as an extension. 

------------------------------
Jonathan Goldberg
Amdocs Management Limited
Any opinions and statements made by me on this forum are purely personal, and do not necessarily reflect the position of the TM Forum or my employer.

Original Message:
Sent: Feb 26, 2024 13:06
From: subhanshu shukla
Subject: TMF 696 Risk Management

Hi All,

In TMF 696, we have model ProductOrderRiskAssessment, which actually tell risk during ordering process. Below is diagram for the same

My question here is it has reference to productOrder. But I want to check the risk in order validation phase, current API support productOrderRisk post order creation thats why it require productOrder reference to it.

How I can make this data model work for accessing risk during order validation phase.

Possible option I can see is replace ProductOrderRef by ProductOrderRefOrValue.

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subhanshu shukla
Bharti Airtel Ltd
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